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2007/11/28 我和基督徒的对话说明:1。只有英文,有谁强烈希望明白,可以翻字典;2。我的观点仅代表我;马格利特的观点代表耶稣的观点;3。有些表情符号丢失,句子意思可能不连贯。4。拼写错误将就吧,我一边写作业一边对话基督徒,容易吗我。 Margaret says: (23:38:00) but I have God.. that's enOUgh..xixi..I believe everything will be better.. Sophiee says: (23:40:04) may God bless you. Sophiee says: (23:40:10) i am atheist Sophiee says: (23:40:28) so on the religious side, we don't have the same taste. that's fine. Sophiee says: (23:40:36) have a faith is good for you Margaret says: (23:42:07) En.. I understand.. just don't agree..haha.. anyway.. will pray for you.. life is full of happiness with God.. Sophiee says: (23:43:19) hehe Sophiee says: (23:43:34) many tried to convert me Sophiee says: (23:43:45) i am too proud to be humble Margaret says: (23:44:49) En.. I came from the same way.. understand what you feel.. just need a open heart.. Margaret says: (23:45:15) You will find come into God's Kingdom.. there are so much to learn and so much to change.. Margaret says: (23:45:19) life will be different.. Margaret says: (23:45:22) and will be good.. Sophiee says: (23:45:36) i want to be open, so decide not to let one god occupy all of the heart Sophiee says: (23:46:15) in history, too many bloody things related with the religion Margaret says: (23:46:36) Yes.. that's right.. but bloody things no only related to the religion.. Margaret says: (23:46:42) but also humAn hearts.. Sophiee says: (23:46:52) i prefer reason, the 18th century; and reason from the Greek Margaret says: (23:47:15) The true God is the pure God.. that's why we believe.. Sophiee says: (23:47:23) human heart is different Sophiee says: (23:47:37) that's why some feel good about giving the whole heart to god Sophiee says: (23:47:49) while i feel so much better being independent thinker Sophiee says: (23:48:12) and hell is not frightful to me, cos it's not a physical thing Margaret says: (23:48:57) God Makes ppl different.. and allow different things exist.. the mAin reason to believe in God is He is the source of all the happiness and hope and love... Margaret says: (23:49:08) that's why Jesus comes to this world.. Margaret says: (23:49:18) that's why so Many ppl's lives changed.. Sophiee says: (23:49:22) that's just one belief, one version Sophiee says: (23:49:42) there are so many versions of world order, moral and stuff like that Sophiee says: (23:49:49) just like commodities on the shelves Sophiee says: (23:49:54) a variety to choose Sophiee says: (23:50:00) pick the one convenient to you Sophiee says: (23:50:02) to your taste Sophiee says: (23:50:13) you feel happy about your choice Sophiee says: (23:50:27) but i don't necessarily buy the one you choose Margaret says: (23:50:38) It doesn't Matter how mAny stuff are there.. Margaret says: (23:50:46) the most important is which is true one.. Margaret says: (23:50:50) which can change you.. Margaret says: (23:50:55) which can you love and happy.. Sophiee says: (23:50:59) see that's the bug of the belief Sophiee says: (23:51:08) it claims it to be the ONLY truth Sophiee says: (23:51:18) and exclude all other thinkings Sophiee says: (23:51:24) it's so narrowing Margaret says: (23:51:35) Yes.. I kNOW what you mean.. but you can only have on husband right?.. Sophiee says: (23:51:44) if you see from that perspective, you don't want to spend the whole life in one view Margaret says: (23:51:44) Father is the only one..xixi.. Sophiee says: (23:52:01) oh, that's your hubby, not mine Sophiee says: (23:52:04) we have different Sophiee says: (23:52:10) we cannot share the same one Margaret says: (23:52:53) en.. I see.. still.. NO one can Make you believe.. that's the personal relationship..hehe.. Margaret says: (23:53:09) just open your heart.. if you seek.. you will find.. Margaret says: (23:53:15) God's work is everywhere.. Sophiee says: (23:54:14) goodie goodi Sophiee says: (23:54:36) it amuses me how people respond to this religion Sophiee says: (23:54:43) i am such a non-believer Margaret says: (23:54:44) really? Margaret says: (23:54:53) hehe.. do we say the same thing? Margaret says: (23:55:13) It's love.. you KNOW.. just love God too much..hehe.. Sophiee says: (23:55:37) ok. that's good to have something to love dearly Sophiee says: (23:55:43) that sustains you through life Margaret says: (23:56:06) En.. that's true.. Sophiee says: (23:56:10) i find other things in life to make me continue Sophiee says: (23:56:16) the rocky road Sophiee says: (23:56:30) music for one Sophiee says: (23:56:32) art another Sophiee says: (23:56:36) human beings Sophiee says: (23:56:40) both good and bad Sophiee says: (23:56:49) history Sophiee says: (23:56:51) literature Sophiee says: (23:56:54) philosophy Sophiee says: (23:57:05) pretty much everything in liberal art Sophiee says: (23:57:12) it's a big big world Sophiee says: (23:57:24) and God is just one ingredient Margaret says: (23:57:35) I kNOW.. the wisdom you are looking for is contained in the world.. Sophiee says: (23:57:45) not necessarily the eccential one Sophiee says: (23:57:54) i worship nature Margaret says: (23:58:09) hehe.. God is the crEation of the nature..hehe.. Sophiee says: (23:58:20) stop the gospel litany Margaret says: (23:58:27) Ok.. Sophiee says: (23:58:39) that's a fable, a myth, just one version, ok? Sophiee says: (23:58:57) they are good storyteller Sophiee says: (23:59:17) anway, enjoy the power and bliss you enjoy from loving god Margaret says: (23:59:27) haha.. come on... Sophiee says: (23:59:31) if your parents are happy, you are happy Sophiee says: (23:59:41) vice versa Margaret says: (23:59:49) yes.. that's right.. Margaret says: (00:00:00) I love them a lot.. Sophiee says: (00:00:02) but please don't pound their head to make them follow your faith Margaret says: (00:00:22) That's sth. I can't do.. only He can do that.. Sophiee says: (00:01:01) if that's only He can do, why you guys keep talking about it and trying to convert people like sales reps Margaret says: (00:01:18) No.. We just share the joy.. it Margaret says: (00:01:33) it is like we have some good things we wanna share.. Sophiee says: (00:01:42) haha, ok. that's one view. but it reflects your insecurity in the faith Margaret says: (00:01:56) No.. I don't share it with everyone.. Margaret says: (00:02:07) and the words I spoke to you no only from myself.. Margaret says: (00:02:14) but also God's will.. Sophiee says: (00:02:39) if it's really 100% good, true, beautiful, then no need to go out of the way to sell it Sophiee says: (00:02:45) i am not saying you Sophiee says: (00:02:59) i talk about missionaries Sophiee says: (00:03:08) coming to people's house and sell Margaret says: (00:03:08) En.. we don't anything back.. so can't speak as 'sell'... Sophiee says: (00:03:22) come on, you know what you pay Margaret says: (00:03:35) en.. what kind of heart they have only God kNOWs.. Sophiee says: (00:03:41) i saw it myself. a donation format Sophiee says: (00:03:56) why you think Church is so rich Sophiee says: (00:04:03) well, maybe in the history, not so much now Margaret says: (00:04:37) hehe.. that's only prove Jesus's prophecy.. the churchs are becoming stronger NOW.. Margaret says: (00:04:45) It is no point to see others.. Margaret says: (00:04:54) cause believe is only God... Margaret says: (00:05:08) doesn't Matter what other ppl doing.. Margaret says: (00:06:17) Anyway.. hehe.. trust me it is will be a different life when with God.. peaceful.. and kNOW more about this world.. Sophiee says: (00:06:18) so under the roof of church, there are you and other people Margaret says: (00:06:33) En.. and also God.. Margaret says: (00:06:43) God kNOWs us individually.. Sophiee says: (00:06:49) tell me one example. what's the more you know about the world Margaret says: (00:06:51) and only He can judge.. Margaret says: (00:08:41) The world needs love and light.. What we live is for lighting the world.. and only we love the ppl around us we can feel the reason we are in this world.. Margaret says: (00:09:27) That's Jesus told us.. Sophiee says: (00:09:29) that's perspective thing. Sophiee says: (00:09:43) you can view the world this way or that Sophiee says: (00:10:00) love's opposite is not hate Sophiee says: (00:10:17) i didn't say hate the world is the other option Margaret says: (00:10:17) ... love is patient.. Sophiee says: (00:10:24) there are many options Sophiee says: (00:11:10) this morals or manners are taught in many different religions or books Sophiee says: (00:11:19) what's so special? Margaret says: (00:12:17) Because Jesus came in this world and lived as a true huMan being.. He kNOWs what we think and what we like.. Margaret says: (00:12:34) everything we have can disppear except our true charactor.. Margaret says: (00:12:47) which is Jesus wants to build us.. Margaret says: (00:13:18) Other religions are like sth. in the air.. you can't true feel it.. Margaret says: (00:13:26) it is seperated from this world.. Margaret says: (00:13:47) only Jesus who can connect this world and heaven.. Sophiee says: (00:14:05) Jesus is a myth Margaret says: (00:14:14) Jesus is the way.. Sophiee says: (00:14:23) haha, Taoism is the way Margaret says: (00:14:46) Yes.. you kNOW.. I read Tao for several years .. Margaret says: (00:14:53) Tao is looking for the way.. Margaret says: (00:14:59) and Jesus is the way.. Sophiee says: (00:15:00) your conclusion Margaret says: (00:15:14) I have found what I looked for.. Sophiee says: (00:15:19) that shows Tao is better Sophiee says: (00:15:37) it gives you initiative to seek the way Sophiee says: (00:15:59) Jesus just lay one way for your to follow, who knows where Margaret says: (00:16:26) En.. it is good to kNOW than unkNOW.. Sophiee says: (00:16:54) being human, we have limitations, but we should keep our own free thinking, our curiosity and keep explore Margaret says: (00:17:15) That's true.. God wants us to do that too.. Sophiee says: (00:17:21) if everything is from that thousands of years old book, then what we are doing now? Margaret says: (00:17:37) En.. bible is no about kNOWledge.. Margaret says: (00:17:55) it is the spirit.. Margaret says: (00:17:58) it is about God.. Sophiee says: (00:18:04) why it is the truth then? Margaret says: (00:18:31) because the true believer can experice God.. Sophiee says: (00:18:37) i think it's a way of cognitive approach Margaret says: (00:18:39) whenever.. and wherever they are.. Margaret says: (00:18:48) experience* Sophiee says: (00:18:49) like a theory of how you know the unknown Margaret says: (00:19:16) En.. God is beyond anything.. and He is always right... Sophiee says: (00:19:19) when you are talked into something, you may experience it in your dreams even Sophiee says: (00:19:33) i don't believe in anyone who claim he is always right Sophiee says: (00:19:40) there is no such absolute thing Margaret says: (00:19:58) En.. that's because He is no 'anyone'.. He is the only one.. Sophiee says: (00:20:01) see he is so complacent about his being the only, the truth, the all mighty Margaret says: (00:20:15) That's right.. Sophiee says: (00:20:16) he looks down on humans Margaret says: (00:20:27) He is the only.. truth and almighty.. Sophiee says: (00:20:33) and in fact, humans create this god image to look down themselves Sophiee says: (00:20:38) self-defacing Sophiee says: (00:20:56) that's limiting Sophiee says: (00:21:03) limiting your imagination] Sophiee says: (00:21:06) your creativity Sophiee says: (00:21:15) your humanhood Margaret says: (00:21:27) If you read bible carefully.. you would find there are so much things beyond huMan.. Sophiee says: (00:21:39) that's right. Margaret says: (00:21:46) Try to read JOhn... Sophiee says: (00:22:09) haha, maybe you give me a briefing on what John said Margaret says: (00:22:32) That's no what JOhn said.. Margaret says: (00:22:38) that is what Jesus said.. Sophiee says: (00:22:48) i had no interest, no faith in it Sophiee says: (00:22:56) whatever, John said what Jesus said Margaret says: (00:23:22) Ok.. I see.. just that's no huMan crEation... Sophiee says: (00:23:40) it is. Sophiee says: (00:24:00) supernatural thing is not far from superstition Margaret says: (00:24:00) hehe.. you don't read.. how can you Make such conclusion.. Sophiee says: (00:24:16) i am sold several times before Margaret says: (00:24:22) En.. doesn't Matter.. Sophiee says: (00:24:27) i didn't believe in it Margaret says: (00:24:39) supernatural or superstition...I mean doesn't Matter.. Margaret says: (00:24:57) cause the true God is about love.. Sophiee says: (00:25:29) ok. let's see what happens after death. see if there is heaven or hell. Sophiee says: (00:25:33) only till then Sophiee says: (00:25:45) i doubt what J said Margaret says: (00:26:08) En.. isn't that too late?.. Margaret says: (00:26:20) anyway.. everything has a time.. Sophiee says: (00:26:26) see if God loves you, then why he creates a hell to torture you, if you choose not to believe in him Margaret says: (00:26:27) no absolutely.. Sophiee says: (00:26:38) isn't him a tyranny? Margaret says: (00:27:50) En.. why don't we look at ourselves?.. a selfish, no loving.. no giving, no compassion.. can we go to heaven? do we deserve to go there? Sophiee says: (00:29:29) how can you see non-believers definitely don't have the above mentioned virtues Sophiee says: (00:29:35) and vice versa?? Sophiee says: (00:29:57) isn't it judgmental based on one single perspective? Margaret says: (00:30:20) That's why we only look at Jesus.. we don't judge ppl..because we are the same.. Margaret says: (00:30:27) God looks at the hearts.. Margaret says: (00:30:45) He looks at if you have the willing to change and become like Jesus.. Margaret says: (00:31:06) It is no hard.. cause Jesus was a huMan.. Sophiee says: (00:31:15) homogenious is dangerous to species survival Margaret says: (00:31:37) Decide by what kind.. Sophiee says: (00:31:49) whatever kind is not good Margaret says: (00:31:54) we can still be lawyers.. doctors.. accountant.. Sophiee says: (00:32:12) i don't envision a world full of christians will be a peaceful world Margaret says: (00:32:18) but .. the heart of love and compassion, patient.. can be the same.. Margaret says: (00:32:34) The world won't full of Christians.. Margaret says: (00:32:36) cause the world is against it... Sophiee says: (00:32:59) so what's the ultimate look of the world? Sophiee says: (00:33:03) still good and evil Sophiee says: (00:33:17) and you are telling me to jump to the good side? Margaret says: (00:33:52) Good is good.. evil is evil.. it is a choice Made by both you and God.. Margaret says: (00:35:49) Anyway..hehe.. trust me.. I don't do this kind of discuss to everyone.. and it is no the words only from me.. also what God wants say to you... Margaret says: (00:36:01) I came from the same way.. my questions were tough too... Margaret says: (00:36:21) I hope you study hard..hehe.. Margaret says: (00:36:24) and be happy... Margaret says: (00:36:30) I will talk to you later.. Sophiee says: (00:36:44) thank you. i collect all your blesses. Margaret says: (00:36:54) My pleasure.. |
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